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October 21, 2003

Diamond Age Themes

Looks like this book's discussion is taking a bit of time to get launched, but I'll forge onward.

The Diamond Age is undeniably a science/speculative fiction novel, but one of the exceptional qualities of Stephenson's execution here is that the story's not all whiz-bang and glitz - rare as it might be among the space operas and techno-carnivals out there, I'd argue that Stephenson actually does a fair bit of thematic interplay in the novel.

One of the areas Stephenson touches on in Diamond Age is the question of nature vs. nurture. Nell is (arguably) the main protagonist, but her life is shaped massively by the Primer (and by proxy those who designed and performed it, Hackworth and Miranda). It's probably a safe assumption that had Harv not pinched the book and brought it into Nell's life, Nell would have been condemned to live a life very much along the lines of her mother's, flitting from guy to guy, living the hopeless life of the impoverished thete. "Nurture" from the book makes all the difference.

Still, the question of how much of our lives' choices are dictated by our in-born nature is an open one, and some of the wiser people in my life put the nature/nurture ratio at around 50/50. How exceptional do you think Nell is in her own right, and how much of her becoming a living version of the Primer's Princess Nell is due, as Constable Moore surmises, to her being a "veteran" and having come from a life of danger and privation?

Another set of themes Stephenson presents are the opposing pair of subversion (Finkle-McGraw and Hackworth's efforts) and responsibility (Judge Fang and Dr. X's redirection of those efforts) - the poles of the eternal parental dilemma.

The Mouse Army receives its basic education (and one could say recruitment) through their illict copies of the Primer, but Fiona and Elizabeth, destined for good education in any event, receive Finkle-McGraw's hoped-for gift of subversiveness, of daring and ambition, among other qualities. Nell would at first glance seem to be destined similarly to the Mouse Army, but she winds up being the pivot upon which the book turns.

How true does Stephenson's playing with these themes ring? Are there other thematic observations to be made here?



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Rich, I really have to apologize about being so scarce, but I haven't had the time to read this month's book. It's sitting right here on my desk and staring me in the face. Since school and the Fall semester at college started, I have not been able to read a single thing for pleasure. It's the first selection I missed, and I hate the fact that it's your month. I'm so sorry.

Now I'm feeling really bad. We're not really helping Rich with the discussion of his book, are we? I promise I will read this book all the way through!! It really has been a full month though. I've only read 1 book all month long! It was The Shining and it took me 2 weeks to even get through that (and I've read it 6 times before).
I'll read yours tonight and tomorrow and get back to you on friday, ok?

So do we in fact have anyone besides Hunter who finished the book?

Is there any point in posting discussion questions? I can discuss things with Hunter over any given lunch.

This would appear to be my comeuppance for not reading Sarah's and Andy's books.

C'est la guerre.

Hey! I was out of town, sorry I missed the beginning. I'm still re-reading but will try to chip in a bit in the meantime from memory. Preface: I have childhood sci fi trauma and this was the first sci fi novel I picked up as an adult on to a friend's recommendation and I *loved* it. Great epic, and especially great that it's so girl-centric, which you don't see a whole lot of in any genre. There are a few bits I wish were toned down a bit because it would otherwise be an excellent read for kids my daughter's age.

I think some of the ideas are a lot easier to swallow if you're up on tech news; I didn't have any trouble with it. A lot of the principles and creations seem just a step ahead of where we are now, and I think Stephenson's penchant for creating new, unfamiliar names for things that already exist in a more infantile state probably throws a lot of people off, though it may be that some of these things hadn't been given names or at least didn't have widely-accepted names when he wrote it. I first read it maybe five or so years ago and it's striking how much more tangible some of it seems now than it did then (or five or so years before that, when it was written.).

There's something Finkle-McGraw says when he first approaches Hackworth about the value of adversity as an aside to their discussion of morals and I need to finish skimming through before really going on, but it seems that out of everyone, Nell stands apart from Fiona and Elizabeth in that respect, obviously in terms of privilege and rearing, but also, to some extent, from the other girls who make up the Mouse Army, who lead pretty institutionalized lives, even if it's a much different institution than any other we've seen and is certainly no picnic. A lot of our nature's been bred out of us and it's difficult to believe that, as technology plays a larger part in our lives, taking care of more of our basic needs that created the instincts in the first place, nature takes less and less precedence, and Nell's singularity in her trials and lack of support system set her apart from th others.

Aw, Rich. I don't think it's really comeuppance because Andy did say in the other thread that he tried to read the book. If you remember, he also couldn't get through A Canticle for Leibowitz. Science Fiction is one of those genres that I think you either really love or really hate.

As for me, I wish I did have the time because I've been wanting to check out more SciFi. I can count the number of books I've read in the genre on one hand and I do enjoy a lot of such movies, so exposing myself to more SciFi text would be a good thing.

I really liked your recommendation of Ender's Game. It was a fun coming of age story and didn't contain too much crapnobabble (which I think can turn a good plot idea into a bunch of nonsense). Are there other books like this you could recommend?

Sorry I'm late with this, as I said in the other thread, I was out of town!

Rich, I did finish the book and plan on reading more Stephenson, who I had previously never read. Thanks for introducing me to his work.

As for themes - well, I think you've hit the two main themes right on the head. Nature vs. Nurture and Subversion vs. Responsibility but I would add a third:

(and truthfully, I'm not sure if this is a theme, a thesis, a plot summary or what, but, anyway...)

(also, I'm not sure on protocol, so I'm going to err on the side of caution and say PLOT SPOILERS FOLLOW!!!)

I found the whole "Feed" vs. "Seed" distinction to be a theme in and of itself. Once the two have been described enough that the reader grasps what each is meant to be, the reader can find instances that echo the idea - The New Victorians like to buy handmade goods because they're superior to something that has been made by a machine; live theater has a quality about it that the finest ractive can't compare to; even the girls being taught to choose a phyle for themselves instead of just accepting the state they were born to - all of these seem to me (and I may be way off) to be echoing the old "teach a man to fish vs. a man with a lot of fish" parable.

Am I off on this one?

Gwen, thanks for commenting, and glad you enjoyed the book.

Joel, there's a whole "entitlement versus empowerment" debate lurking in the Feed vs. Seed duality - if we wind up having some longevity to this discussion after all, I'm sure there's some great firestorms to be had. :-)

Mary: actually, Orson Scott Card's reluctance to get too jiggy with the language is one of the things that makes him a popular cross-genre author. It's also one of the things I like least about his style: though he does tell an outstanding story, he's not what I'd call a hard-SF writer, in either his subjects or his writing.

Other recommendations? Believe it or not you might really like Isaac Asimov's work, or Arthur C. Clarke's, or Robert A. Heinlein's. Most of the "golden age" writers weren't as texturally adventurous as is today's fashion.

Rich - Ok, here we go with the "entitlement vs. empowerment" theme... :-)

How did you feel with regards to this? I saw the concept as a little frightening. In other words, I sympathized with Hackworth and the other members of the New-Atlantan Phyle. I wouldn't want to revert to an age of planting seeds, (regardless of how perfectly they grow) or see it replace an age of "press the button and get what you want". If only because I thought Stephenson was indicating (albeit with some subtleness) that they planter/farmer mentality didn't leave much room for art or personal craftsmanship where as the 'feed' did.

With the 'feed' people were able to get the basic needs of life for free. Therefore they should be able to spend their time concentrating on art and the sciences where as the 'seed' philosophy sends people to the field day after day, ensuring that they spend all their time working.

Or, at least, that's what I thought...

Heh. Don't say I didn't warn you. :-D

Be careful about wishing that everyone get the basic necessities of life for free; people who don't have to work for a living generally don't work at all. People tend to appreciate what they earn more than what is given to them gratis. Witness the rampant squalor of the thete life that Nell escapes from, despite free, plentiful food and clothing available from any public matter compiler.

That's the dual problem of the Feed: centralized production means excellent economies of scale, a flattening of social hierarchies, and plentiful times for everyone, but it also means centralized control over the means of production and the ability to monitor, lavish or strangle at will.

The Seed allows (mandates) distributed production; everyone who gets a Seed can produce more of the same, but because Seed use is labor-intensive, it requires a more stratified society for good management of labor resources.

Are people at the luxurious top of a Seed society more likely to have the inclination to pursue the arts and sciences than cradle-to-grave-pampered thetes? I don't know, but that would appear to be the crux of the problem.

I don't think it's a question of inclinations, I think it's a question of needs and how they're addressed for the common person.

There was a social theorist (Maslow, I think) who had a theory called the "heirarchy of needs" where he stated that people's needs start with a broad base - food, shelter, water, etc. When those needs have been satisfied they move to the next tier - friends, family, people in their lives, etc. And so on, until the final tier - entertainment, philosophy, etc. (A quick caveat, it's been many years since I've studied this; if I've mis-remembered or mis-stated any of this, let me know.)

So. The Feed satisfies the base needs, right? The Phyles then represent the higher needs and the path to them lies in making a choice. With a case like Nell's the problem isn't the base needs, it's that no one present in her life (especially at the beginning of the novel) is capable of helping her to understand her options in fulfilling her higher needs, or of doing it for her, and that's where the Primer comes in. It's job, in helping to prepare little girls for society (even by teaching them subversity) is teaching them how to fill their higher needs in a way that is acceptable and valuable for society. For the little girls who lack the primer (like Tequila, Nell's mom) they have to find their own way to satisfy their higher needs and they do it by making choices in lifestyle, philosophy, etc. for better or worse.

The Seed seems to do some of the same - it fills people's basic needs but leaves them less time to contemplate their higher needs. Except that when the workers know that the crop will always be good, the livestock will stay healthy and reproduce and provide meat and dairy, how long will they remain content to do something that so clearly ignores their higher needs? What would a seed society do to fulfill higher needs? Elevate performers and entertainers to an almost god-like status?

Sorry I'm not being too clear about this am I?

 

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