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May 24, 2004

Style? Substance? Both? Neither?

Hey there, and welcome to the discussion on If On A Winter's Night a Traveler... by Italo Calvino. Or is it? Maybe it's actually a totally different book by an obscure Polish author...

Let's start with something easy: What did you think of the structure of the book? Did you find the starting and stopping stories in different styles engaging? Frustrating? Fun? Pretentious? Revelatory?

When I first read this book, back in high school, it blew my mind, It was the first book that ever made me think "Whoa, you can do that with words on a page? Who knew?" I'd always thought the purpose of a book, a story, was to have a beginning, middle and end, and to take you from said beginning to said end. This was the first book that challenged that and yet kept me engaged and reading from beginning to end.

This time, since that burst of novelty has worn off, was a bit different. I still love the book, and am finding new things that I hadn't noticed before, but I'm finding the prescriptive "You, the reader, are doing this" a little too.. cutesy? Pleased with itself? Something like that.

I'm also finding myself a little annoyed at points in the "chapters" of the various books where he stops presenting the words of the books themselves and starts talking about the style of the books -- for example, in "Looks down in the gathering shadow", "I'm producing too many stories at once because I what I want is for you to feel, around the story, a saturation of other stories...." He's having all the authors break the fourth wall, pointing out in the middle of the story that it is a planned, calculated story, that everything on the page is there to manipulate you in a certain way. It keeps coming up at a point when I'm getting sucked into the story itself, and don't want to think about the style.

What did you think?



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This is hard one for me as I must admit that Calvino wore me down, bouncing back and forth, drifting in and out, focusing and blurring, and me looking for some common thread, some higher meaning. After about 100 pages, I surrendered, figuring I missed the point, or was just too dense, too grounded in common sense and the material to understand his purpose or his story. It is sad as when he wants to be he is a powerful and descriptive writer.

I am hoping that you all with your well thought out comments and maybe less structured mental capacities will re-energize me to dive back in and renew my efforts. Until then, I sit here dormant, too confused to move any further forward.

the thing about calvino's book that caught my interest was that it takes the idea of a story to elaborate on how many other stories exist and keeping track of how many layers deep you are isn't the point. it is about the journey and not the destination.

and while i agree that sometimes it got a little too pretentious with disintegrating the boundaries and speaking directly to the reader, i kept in mind that's also just another illustration of how many different directions you can go.

now i also have to admit that i generally prefer to become absorbed with a story and not get jutted out of it and told that this story is false, etc.... if you like the concept of how calvino presents information, but like to be absorbed by the story itself and not in and out of "reality" then try out any of jeannette winterson's tales - sexing the cherry was the one that blew my mind!

I hate this book.

I read this book about a year ago, and I was unprepared for the frustration of not "finishing" any of the stories. But I was also intrigued, and now I want to re-read the book to look for bread crumbs such at the role of mirrors/reflections. Ultimately, my favorite part is the preface in which Calvino sets the scene for reading. I know I have rituals I use to prepare to read (ice water handy, pillows fluffed, background music to muffle the noise of traffic outside), and the introduced made me realize the most serious readers have their own rituals. Of course, the preface helps to make the incomplete chapters even more annoying -- I suspect a deliberate move on Calvino's part.

Sorry. Still reading the book. Will try to hurry it up a bit.

not understanding chapter, "outside the town of Malbork." can anyone guide me a bit on this chapter?

 

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