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September 19, 2004

Let's Get Started: Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe

I know I'm just a little early, but I've started a new job that keeps me busy and I have little time to surf the net at work. I suggested Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe by Fannie Flagg because it seemed like an easy read and I wanted an easy go as my first time as moderator. I had also seen the movie. Little did I know there would be complex story lines that are hard to keep straight. I also didn't realize that there would be so many topics and characters to cover.

The structure of the book is one that switches back and forth between past and present. It reminded me of the time shifting in Middlesex. Things did get a bit confusing for me when the point of view kept changing to so many different characters. I had to flip back and try to remember who which Peavy was. When I took creative writing in college, the first thing we learned was to pick a character and stick with that character.

In Fried Green Tomatoes, we have several different characters that could qualify as the main character. There are Evelyn and Mrs. Threadgoode, the present day characters, and Idgie and Ruth, to whom we're introduced through the story telling of Mrs. Threadgoode. Then characters of the past magically became narrators. This ominipotence of authors usually bothers me, and did in this case. Although I did enjoy Dot Weems weekly dispatches. Some of the story lines seemed like page filler to me. I felt they weren't given the attention that could have made them interesting.

The thing that struck me most was the relationship between Idgie and Ruth. It was hard for me to understand a relationship between the two women. Was Idgie truly in love with Ruth? Idgie's mother says at one point that Idgie has a crush or Ruth. Is there something more to this relationship? Why did Ruth leave Idgie and marry Frank? Why did she come back?

Another obvious theme to this book is the racial aspect. You can't have abook about the South without talking about race. Anyone care to expand this subject? I'm struck by Grady, the sherriff, member of the Ku Klux Klan, and also accomplice to Idgie as Railroad Bill. What kind of person is Grady? What motivates the decisions he makes?

Here are just a few questions to get us started. There were so many ways to go, and there is so much to be covered. Remember, this is my first time. Hopefully, I'll see you tomorrow.



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Quick comment since it's past my bedtime.

I also became very confused with all of the time and character switching. In some parts, I even had to reread because I lost track of where I was in the story. The Peavys really threw me, especially at the end during the chapter on Artis' death. By that point, I couldn't remember who he was.

The relationship between Ruth and Idgie also left me with a lot of questions. Were they lesbians? I couldn't come up with an answer to that one.

Do not tell me I'm the only one besides Manda who's read this book.

Guess I picked a big stinker huh.

This book is not a stinker. It's pretty mainstream, and I'm surprised people weren't more interested considering I'm sure many have seen the movie. Maybe September is the problem.

Anyway, I read it. It's a lot more "normal" than anything I'd choose for myself, which is the whole reason why I started the book club. I'd read the same kind of books over and over again if it weren't for our monthly selections.

When you mentioned the bit about the characters becoming narrators, it didn't bother me so much. It made me think that the book was written in sections based on who was narrating rather than from beginning to end. I suspect that Flagg wrote the main story about Idgie and Ruth and Ninny and Evelyn, then added the extras like Dot's newsletter and newspaper articles.

Sorry - I would have posted earlier if I realized the board was this dead!

I enjoyed the book. I was surprised at how faithful the movie was to the book, actually. Nowadays, movie versions don't just change certain episodes or delete a character here or there, they actually change the whole theme and point of the novel.

I didn't mind the skipping around in time and place, although you can kind of tell the writer has ADD (haha). I don't know if the author intended this, but the format has the effect of erasing the time boundaries between the characters and the events, similar to what an older person might experience, especially Alzheimer's patients and such.

Speaking of older persons, that was one thing I absolutely hated about the book: the way she characterizes some of the peripheral elderly characters. She has them behaving in idiotic ways totally contrary to reality. Dancing a hula with a bran muffin on your head? Calling the Queen of England on a phantom phone? Gimme a break.

Maya, I think the book was pretty faithful to the movie as well, but the movie played out some of the relationships better. For example, you got a better sense of how hard Ruth's death was on everyone while watching the movie because it had us watch her die. In the book, all of a sudden she was just dead. The movie also had a much happier ending, considering Ninny lived.

The characterization of the elderly was unrealistic, but I think it was intended to be comic relief. At least, I hope it was. My grandmother's senility has been in question lately, but she hasn't put a bran muffin on her head yet.

So, does anyone know...were they lesbians?

Well, most reviewers I've read seem to think the lesbian theme is unambiguous. I don't see how they can be so sure, myself. I suspect they were, but I think it's more about a powerful female bond than about a sexual attraction. The novel celebrates female strength, and I think the relationship between Ruth and Idgie transcends sexuality.

As far as the characterization of the elderly, I'm sure it was meant to be funny. I found it insulting, and I'm only 28. Maybe my sense of humor will be more developed when I'm 80.

My guess is that the lesbian thing is implied. Homosexuality has probably been around since people evolved, but maybe Flagg didn't explicitly state it because it wasn't talked about in the thirties. I find the way she treated the subject very interesting since she wrote the novel at a time when it wouldn't have been completely outrageous to have homosexual main characters.

The comic elderly characters didn't insult me so much, mostly because Ninny was the one who brought up Vesta's questionable mentality. It felt like an older person making fun of an older person rather than a younger person making fun of an older person. Then again, I spent so much time trying to keep track of what was going on that I might have missed some of the more insulting parts.

I believe that the homosexuality of it isn't implicit because even today in small southern towns people don't talk about it or acknowledge it. It was just amazing to me how supportive Idgie's family seemed to be of the relationship with Idgie was just a young girl. I find that unbeliveable. They actually encouraged Ruth to stay, when I don't believe it would have happened that way.

I guess I'll go ahead and wrap this up. I know that September is a busy month and I hoped that we'd be able to discuss more. For example: Evelyn and Mrs. Threadgoode. Where did Towanda come from. And why did talking to Mrs. Threadgoode seem to be a milestone in Evelyn's life.

Are you surprised to learn that Idgie is still alive? Why do you think she floats away from her family and friends. Perhaps her self image was part of that small time, and when it died, so did a part of her?

Hopefully, those that did read it enjoyed it. I haven't had a chance to watch the movie in several years. I hope to do so soon.

Ok, I am so sorry this is late in coming, but we just got hit with ANOTHER hurricane. Here are my responses.

The gay thing. I dated women years ago, so I feel I'm "experienced" to make this assumptions: yes, they were lovers. At least in my opinion. However, I actually like the way the author didn't come out and say it bluntly because honestly, what difference does it make WHAT they're relationship was? I'm sure she omitted it due to the time period, as it wasn't discussed, but I'd like to think she left it out because it simply didn't matter. I can see Idgie's parents begging Ruth to stay. If they were lovers, then it was kept behind closed doors and ma and pop saw them as sisters who loved one another greatly. If they DID realize they were gay (IF they were) then they could have easily closed their eyes to it and pretended not to see. By the time they would have realized it, they had already fallen in love with Ruth themselves and didn't want to see her go, or see Idgie return to her pre-Ruth days. She was already shaken up over Buddy and they knew that losing Ruth too could put her over the edge.

The old people. Yes, over-exaggerated! Way over the top. I know that SOME old people act like that, but she wasn't represntative of the "general" elderly population.

The movie. I had seen the movie before, so the book was much easier to follow. It did follow along EXTREMELY close to the book. I didn't mind the jumping around, I think the characters are painted vividly enough to do that.

I was surprised to learn Idgie was alive when I saw the movie, I was anticipating it at the end of the book, otherwise I would have been VERY surprised. It's a perfect ending. She floats because she's a floater. In OUR time, there aren't a lot of those people, it was much more common in those days, as is represented by the numerous bums in the story. It was "normal" to take off for a few days. There was no corporate America breathing down your back.

I've alwayas wanted to read this book and this made me do it! I think it was a perfect selection! Sorry I didn't participate sooner!!

This is one of those books that I had been meaning to read for a while. When I saw that it had been picked on this site, it gave me a prod to read it, and I am so glad that I did. I really enjoyed it, I found it very compelling. I had not seen the film, and I thought Idgie being there at the end was the perfect way to end it. I had been so afraid that the little girl who wanted to see the elephant was going to die, or her father was if he tried to take her to see it. I found some of the moments really poignant; for example when Mrs Threadegood says that she is only in the home to help her friend settle in, you know that that is not the reason at all.

I am all about variety. This is a great blog, but you guys should also check out some others. I found one very new one that has promise. http://www.litblog.com

I would be interested to hear what you think about some of the comments from those bloggers. My own opinion, they are perhaps a bit eager with the complicated posts up front, but they seem to know their stuff. Patrick -- illusions everywhere. I wonder if he is a novelist himself . . . .

great site! I am a total book whore, so I love to find other book sites out here...

L
http://ieatbooks.blogspot.com

 

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