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January 25, 2005

Running With Scissors

I apologize for getting this going late. I must also apologize for the fact that Running with Scissors is non-fiction. This was my first selection and I wasn’t very diligent in doing my research before selecting it as my book of choice.

This book was an emotional trip for me because of the life this child endured. It is simply beyond any reality I have known in my personal life. I was drawn into this book due to the manner in which it was narrated. Do you think this book did a proper job of conveying the emotions and growth Augusten experiences throughout the course of his childhood?

He obviously had an interesting life, stemming from his parents (the mother in particular) and continuing on in his experiences with Dr. Finch and the entire Finch family. What is your take on the fact that his mother so willingly passed him over to the Finch family, especially considering the type of family and people she handed him over to? How much of who Augusten is, as a person, do you believe was influenced by his time spent with this family, as opposed to how things would have been if he had stayed with his mother?

To me, this entire story is unbelievable in the sense that it is so outrageous. What do you pick up as the main undertone in the story? Do you feel Augusten regrets the way his life happened to him, or do you get the impression that it gave him an interesting story to tell and pushed him to become more than he would have become had he not faced such a different type of childhood?

As Augusten reaches adulthood, he seems less and less affected by the story of his upbringing. Do you think the book portrayed him as someone who overcame the obstacles in his path or was his life forever damaged as a result of the manner in which he was raised? Finally, what surprised you the MOST in this story?



comments

As usual, I haven't finished the book yet.

However, I can say that I haven't found it funny so far. It's incredibly tragic, so much so that I agree with Chandos' assertion that "this entire story is unbelievable in the sense that it is so outrageous." But I guess that's what you get with a memoir. It's not an autobiography and it isn't completely reliable.

I'm having trouble getting into it.

Me, too. I'm a little more than half-way through and will be able to properly join in the discussion tomorrow. At the moment, I do like the book but it seems like a lot of what he writes is for shock value. Which wasn't how the book started out for me. Also, the book began in novel, story-telling mode and switched to vignette, short-story mode about half-way through... Probably with his first sexual encounter...

Amy, I haven't gotten that far yet. I'm about to hop into bed and can probably knock back another 25 pages, but it feels like it's going very slowly for me.

Thus far, I haven't been shocked yet. Maybe it'll get better when that happens.

hello, sorry i'm late
i have really long school days--12 hour days and i don't get back till after 10
i'm too tired then to do anything

anyway, to answer the first question for now:
i don't think the author did a that good of a job of conveying with the emotions of augusten. i mean, we know how he feels in situations, but it's not convincing. in my opinion, i think that's because the book seems "light." i had to keep reminding myself that this was a true story. and to be honest, i kept thinking, "sh*t, i can't believe this is real. what crazy people!" but at the same time, i did not come away with a sense of tragedy or sadness or disgust towards those people. the reading was easy to get into. it's a fast read.

and yeah...augusten was VERY mature for his age. i also had do keep reminding myself that he was an 8 to 15 year old...or was it 17?

okay, this is all the time i have for right now.
i will get back to this tonight.

all right. i'm back and ready. here we go:

well, what can i say? the fact that his mother passed him on to the Finch family, she's crazy. i wouldn't have expected anything less. i wasn't shocked either. i believe that if augusten would not have interacted with the Finch family, he would've been an somewhat of an introvert? in the real world, that is. but being exposed to the insanity of that family extended and intensified his personality. i don't think that augusten was an ordinary and normal kid to begin with. he was obsessed with shiny things, dressing nice all the time-----he wasn't an ordinary kid. i didn't like how on the back of the book it says, " an ordinary boy's struggles" blah blah blah. i feel that's false.

the story is unbelieveable because i can't conceive of people, a whole family, being this insane and still be seemingly able to function in society quite well. then again, we're not exposed to any of that. we don't know how natalie did in her studies. we don't know about any of the Finch's interactions with outside people, just augusten...

in the end, i don't think augusten regrets his life or how it happened. i honestly don't know if he had real obstacles or what. i mean, he states them, but i didn't see him trying to fight anything or overcome anything other than a mundane issue of not being able to do finger waves...

then again, if i didn't see them, it's because the story seemed written with a sense of humor. nothing made me cry or hate anyone or ... i dunno. i took everything lightly and that was it. if the writer was trying to go for cringing and showing pain, i think he missed that.

what surprised me most in the story was the fact that Hope and her father ended up NOT having an affair. i was expecting that.

in the end, i don't know if this book was good or not. i'd feel guilty recommending it to people just because it's a crazy story. the writing was just really simple and easy to get into. i did enjoy reading it, but in the end, i was not satisfied or dissatisfied with it. i guess it just serves to let you know that there really are crazy people out there. not that i thought otherwise...

I wonder how much of his mother's madness had to do with her wanting to be a little crazy (more fodder for her poetry) and how much had to do with the pills that Finch handed out like candy. And how much of her decision it was for her son to move in with the Finches. It seems like Finch was playing everyone (including his own family). You see that Augusten's mom only got crazier and crazier after she started seeing Finch...

I think growing up with the Finches made him a glutton for the weird. After reading the excerpt from Dry in the back, the reader can see that he gets off on everything outside the norm.

To me, the story was "This happened, and then this happed, and then this other thing happened- and it's all fucked up! WOOO!" After Neil Bookman left, I realized I didn't have too much emotion invested in the story because I didn't feel too sad about it. I just thought, "Well, it's probably better that way."

I get the feeling the Burroughs wants everyone to be more in awe of his extraordinary upbringing than of his writing. Everything is just fodder for his writing. Every bad decision that he makes is justified because it's "material".

What struck me about the memoir was when he was talking about feeling trapped. How could he feel trapped when there were no rules? But then I realized that he could do what he wanted, whenever he wanted, and no parental figure was going to reprimand him. Whereas for the rest (or most) of us, we were told we can't do something by our parents and that gives us the freedom to- Wait a minute, this totally made sense in my head last night. We have freedom because of the rules imposed on us. ... Whatever, the point is I understood what he was talking about there.

Ana- How do you know Hope and her dad didn't have an affair?

i agree with the observation amy makes about the mom becoming crazier after seeing Finch.
and yes, i also saw Finch as the mastermind behind all of this!
he was CREEPY.

i don't know in reality whether hope and grand finch had an affair or not. i'm just going by this story...which i find weird because it's all seems fantastical.
but i really thought that the indications were there? no?
the way hope always tried to please her father and natalie got on her case about it.
i think natalie even called her dad's favorite? or daddy's girl?

and the mother, agnes, she was the only person whom i felt sorry for. everyone treated her like crap. i think she didn't do anything in defending herself till the very end because no one was ever on her side.

I had no trouble getting through the book. The writing was clear and straightforward. I didn't get much of a sense of Augusten's real feelings, though. I felt like he was writing dispassionately, which maybe was absolutely necessary for him given the nature of the material. I haven't read "Dry," but I don't expect Augusten has totally gotten over his early years yet. I don't see how that's even possible.

I fell in love with him at the very beginning when he talked about wanting to be a flight attendant, distributing shiny packages of peanuts and single-serving beverages. The kicker was when he said he wished he smoked just so he could "extinguish his smoking materials." Right from the beginning, you know he's longing for some order in his life. Frankly, I was surprised he didn't end up even more OCD after living with the Finches.

Ana, I too felt awful about poor Agnes. I kept wondering how she could even stick around.

I found this book to be very good, probably because I am a nurse just beginning to work in the field of psychiatry. I think the Finch family took Augusten under his wing. He may not have been as safe if he had stayed with his mother. She probably knew she was having difficulty coping with what was going on in her life and that is why she "handed" him over. I see Augusten as being lucky. He basically had to be on his own from a very young age, but considering what he went through, he was lucky. I think it is healthy for someone to write a book or journal about his/her life. It is very therapeutic to do this.

I read this book and loved it! Its writing style is rough compared to Dry or Magical Thinking, but ultimately it entertaining and fascinating beyond compare. *Sellevision by Burroughs is a hoot if your up to some fiendishly amusing pop culture.

I read Sellevision a loooong time ago and forgot that Burroughs was the one that wrote it. Sellevision is on my Top 5 list of "Funniest Books I've Ever Read" (along with Confederacy of Dunces, Youth in Revolt and anything Sedaris). I really, really loved this work of fiction.

Getting back to his non-fiction... I think Augusten must have known from an early age that writing helped him get out some of the things inside his head. There were several instances where he was writing- and some journal excerpts as well.

I think this book is ok, it's actually one of the inspirations I used to dust off my old manuscript and finally publish my book, "Why I Committed Suicide". I thought the writing in "Running With Scissors" was clear and straightforward but it didn't reveal much about the character. I just never got that true connection with Augusten and since it was the umpteenth time I've read a book like that I decided to quit bitching about books letting me down and write one the way I thought it should go. I found out it's really hard but I gave it a good go.
Unlike Augusten I wanted to write passionately, which I think it the only way to present a situation like this. It's the only way to get over your early years. And Agnes! She made me want to scream sometimes...

Ah well,

did anyone feel that Neil was pathetic at all?
Neil made me sick. I disliked him for being pathetic enough to fall in love with a pre-teen boy.
for some reason, i never thought he was sincere.
at times it seemed to me that he only claimed to need Augusten just so that he could get some.
but i REALLY disliked him. i was glad that he left.

i think that the character that i liked the most was Hope. she seemed the most "sane" out of all the "insane" characters. of course, she had her moments as well--but i prefered her over Natalie. not that Agnes wasn't the most sane, but she never did enough for herself.

I strongly disliked Neil. I don't think the reader ever had the opportunity to like him considering how he was re-introduced to the story.

I didn't particularly like any of the characters in the story. Maybe the brother who lived out around Boston.

Hope lost me after she killed the cat.

I could not read this book for long because the subject matter so so very disturbing. Wht makes it so disturbing is the fact that it IS a nonfiction book; that these events as perceived by the author, happened to
a defenseless and helpless child. I wanted to do something to change the facts and circumstances of the aurhtor's youth; to alleviate the paid. The only way to do was to stop reading for awhile. I couldn't take it.
I am too emotional about children in particular to read the book.

oh man, i had forgotten about the cat...
yeah, that was pretty big
pretty big....

I am still having trouble getting into this book and have just over 100 pages to go. (The cat is about to die.) The problem isn't the subject matter like Donna mentioned because I've read way more messed up stuff than this.

Maybe I'm having trouble accepting any of it as truth, like I'm supposed to since it's non-fiction, and maybe that's a result of being suspicious of memoirs in general. Memoirs aren't supposed to be completely factual since there's no way anyone could remember whole conversations word for word and then write them down years later. His journaling probably helped, but I have the feeling that a lot of the experiences Burroughs describes are tainted by years of reflection on being screwed up by a wacky upbringing. He describes some people in a pretty vicious way, like Neil and his mother, and I wonder if he really felt that way about them at the time.

I'm still intrigued by all the clips on the back cover describing this book as being hilarious. I still haven't found anything funny.

Marydell, I agree that it wasn't all that funny. It was more horrifying than anything. And it does seem unbelievable, for sure. I thought that most of the character patterns made sense, which in my mind lends it some veracity. I didn't get the cat thing with Hope, though. I couldn't reconcile it with what I knew of her character before that.

Hope was a complete mystery to me. She came across as being a totally likable and sweet character at first, but then the cat incident happened. And what was with the snow shovel? And her joke with the soup? Blech.

Maya, I totally agree that this book was horrifying. Each page was a strain. However, I'm not sure whether or not I disliked it. I just couldn't get into it, which probably means I'm ambiguous about it.

This book was very interesting to me. since i am only 16, it and it was soooo graphical, i was really grossed out. niel bookman was indeed pathetic, but he found his true love adn he didnt want to let him go. I think that the most sane person was natalie. she and augusten became really great friends and i'm glad that happened. what else...umm i thought that the writing style was really good and descriptive and said everyhting that was going on, enough for me to imagine what things looked like or seemed like by myslef, but not too much so that there was only one image. Burroughs shows different sides to him, the funny side, the sad and grotesque side, and the real side. i enjoyed the book, actualyl i sitll have about 40 pages left so...

I am a latecomer to this book and just read it in one fell swoop. I laughed out loud, gasped "oh my God" and generally couldn't take my eyes off the print. The characters were so completely foreign, as far removed from my own childhood as possible (my friends accuse me of being raised in Beaver Cleaver's house), that I found them as fascinating as watching a car wreck in slow motion. Do I believe families like that exist? Yup, you can't make up stuff that good. And I have met people over the years who have survived worse.
I like his style of writing, straightforward with a beautiful economy of words, then suddenly surprising with rich descriptive phrases.
I can't wait to get my hands on the sequel.

Barbara, although I enjoyed the book, I wasn't glued to every page. I wonder what that says about how messed up my own life must be. :)

 

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